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B.K. Sharma
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 8:59 pm Back to top

Any one may please tell me the use of formula MCNTM for calculating the gang strength.Thanks.
            
            
            
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:04 am Back to top

This is a nice question. We only work out gang strength as per MCNTM formula and send the data to Railway board every year. What purpose does it serve if we are not able to create the posts required as per MCNTM formula or outsource maintainance against shortage of posts.

Zonal Railways (GM & DRM) have been empowered for creation of posts for new assets only against matching surrender. First thing that is offered as matching surrender is the posts of gangmen. Many Railways have surrendered posts of gangmen when there has already been a shortfall as per MCNTM formula for creation of posts for track machines. Some Railways have surrendered vacant posts of gangmen to fulfill their annual targets for surrender. So what posts can be surrender to create the posts of gangmen. If we want to send a proposal to Railway board for creation, the prequisite is that it has to be certified that there is no money value in zonal Railway's surplus bank and no posts are available in excess for surrender. This is easier said than done.

Whenever we speak of creation of posts of Trackmen as per MCNTM formula, it is countered by accounts as well as administrative officers on top that we are already above the benchmark. For those new to Benchmarking of P.Way staff, Benchmark is nothing but the lowest men on roll per ETKM amongst all divisions of Indian Railway. If Rallway X can manage with `A' men per ETKM (lowest amongst Indian Railways) why does Railway `Y' require `B' men per ETKM (naturally A<B). Here we do not speak about the sanctioned cadre of gangmen, but only about men on roll. Cadre will definately be more than men on roll. So the solution offered is to surrender more posts of gangmen (instead of creation as per requirement as per MCNTM) or redeploy excess posts on account of benchmarking to maintain new assets. Even posts for creation of new assets are not agreed on this account.

There is also a general feeling among the Accounts officers and administrative officers on top that MCNTM formula is more liberal and therefore are never interested in the proposals for creation as per MCNTM formula.

The only solution is that there should be no benchmarking for P.way staff especially gangmen when there is already a rational formula (MCNTM) for the same. Secondly we should be allowed to either outsource certain activities of gangs against the shortfall of posts in MCNTM formula as well as the existing vacancies in the present day cadre or allowed to create the posts required without having to offer any matching surrender.

Some Railways have outsourced certain activities of P.Way maintainance against vacancies in the existing cadre, but this is not enough we should also be allowed for outsourcing for the gap between the strength required as per MCNTM formula and actual men on roll till such time posts are created to bridge this gap & the vacant posts existing & against newly created are filled up.

But with the present state of Finance (shortage of funds) we are in, this may not be feasible as passenger fares have not been increased as per the inflation trends.
            
            
            
- V. Natarajan AEN(TP)CCG ... 16-05-12

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:21 am Back to top

What our Sr.DENs are doing on this subject.
            
            
            
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:25 am Back to top

Sr.DENs cannot do much about this. Scraping of bechmarking for P.Way staff should be taken in TSC. For outsourcing against shortage of gangmen, this has already been taken up in TSC. Again for creation of posts of gangmen without matching surrender for shortfalls as per MCNTM formula, an item needs to be taken up in TSC.

What some people who think that MCNTM formula is more liberal than special commitee formula may not know is that the special commitee formula is an irrational formula because it only calculates the strength required for maintaining a fihplated track manually and then applies a reduction factor for different types of track structures as well as for mechnisation & mordernisation. This reduction factor has no basis as it is not calculated based on mandays required for given tracfk structure and for manual & machine maintainance. But MCNTM is a rational formula as all requirement is calculated on basis of mandays required.

Secondly Special commitee formula does not cover all activities of P.Way maintainance and recommonds use ofcasual labour for many activities. So earlier we used to have sanctions of casual labour on ELA aganst revenue (demand no.4 ie.04-200) for these activities not covered in sepecial commitee formula and based on the minimum strenth of casual labour that was consistantly used over a period of time decausualised posts (DC gangmen) were sanctioned by the Railway Board. These posts were created after a case in supreme court that the casual labours are doing work of perrinial nature and therefore they should be given the same status & facilities of regular gangmen. But there was a misnomer that these posts were created to regularise the casual labour and therefore should be surrendered once the casual labour are absorbed against the vacancies in regular posts. Many Railways had surrendered DC posts under manpower planning against targets of annual surrender of post. So when a rational formula for introduced covering all activities, naturally the requirement will jump up due to wrong surrender of posts done.

Thirdly there was no uniformity in sanctions of the DC posts of gangmen amongst different PWI units as during the period of review some PWIs had more casual labour against revenue and some had less casual labour. So instead of need based creation of posts, it was created based on utlisation. Here again irrationality has crept in.

Further there were two types of casual labour - one for maintainance chargeable to revenue and one for track renewals chargeable to track works. .Tthough DC posts of gangmen were created only against casual labour charged to revenue, some PWIs used casual labour against projects even for maintainance works. This is because on field there was no differentiation of casual labour against revenue and casual labout against projects (track works). It is also possible that the PWIs who had more projects had kept more casual labour for the projects and managed track maintainance also with this strength and did not feel the need for casual labour against revenue. It may also be possible that some PWIs used casual labour against revenue for projects as well and they got more sanction of DC gangmen than what was required. Again leading to irrational gangstrength.
            
            
            
- V. Natarajan AEN(TP)CCG ... 17-05-12

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:09 am Back to top

MCNTM formula work sheet "review.xls" is not working in office 2007. Please help.
            
            
            
- TOMSON ARIMPUR  ... 10-07-14

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:36 pm Back to top

Surprised I m totally confused, why this MCTN formula is made for ? When accounts deptt is not accepting the requirement based on MCTN formula, and not allowing to strengthen the bare minimum number of trackmen per beat of gang, then why this formula is existing ?
            
            
            
- Satya Pal Kataria XEN Construction RINGUS ... 16-07-14

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:34 am Back to top

Welcome to the concept of Bench marking.

A Concept taught by smart executives of Indian Railways to Personnel department and Accounts.

Now all yardsticks/Formulas have become irrelevant for calculation of Manpower requirement for additional maintenance activities.

Bench marking is the only criteria for deciding number of additional Posts to be sanctioned for new activities.
            
            
            
- Vipul Singh Dy.CME(Repair)/NER ... 17-07-14

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:03 pm Back to top

All including Accounts department agree that the requirement manpower for maintenance is arrived at using the MCNTM formula. Till such time some other methodology is evolved, this formula is acceptable.Even though the sanction of track maintainers is far less, this formula is used for outsourcing some activities. Also for creation of posts for new assets.

So please guide me, if it can be used in Office 2007.
            
            
            
- TOMSON ARIMPUR  ... 19-07-14

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:34 pm Back to top

Sri Natarajan is cent per cent correct. Further more, Accounts department is also insisting surrender of posts even for newly created assets during doubling projects and even for new lines. I believe there will be strongest demand for the brains of Accounts people when there is a possibility of organ transplantation since there will be lot of empty space and anything can be fed into.
            
            
            
- K.L.V.S. Viswanadham ASST.MANAGER(CIVIL)/RVNL ... 22-07-14

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:39 pm Back to top

We can observe from traffic supervisory.Even on unusual working if one points man is less ,they will take their own time in dealing trains and extra loss in punctuality will be justified at all level of department.
But an approved formula for man power calculation is being ignored due to tolerance in overworking and extracting over working from subordinates.
once the repercussion is shown as arrears in maintenance or reasons for track deterioration due to the shortage in manpower with appropriate speed restrictions,these sort of belligerent attitudes will be curbed.
So strongest minds will not occur by magic but to be taught
            
            
            
- R. Gobinath AXEN/TMC/PALGHAT ... 23-07-14

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:46 pm Back to top

For difficult categories like Trackmen, Gatemen , ASM, Running staff , retention of recruited staff on such posts is a difficult and often neglected task.

Such essential and vital posts have become Non Popular categories against NTPC (Non-Technical Popular categories of TTEs, TCs, ECRC etc.)

Creation of additional posts for newly created assets has become a long bureaucratic process going up to GM (if matching surrender can be provided).

Staffing of such additionally created posts is another long battle.
            
            
            
- Vipul Singh Dy.CME(Repair)/NER ... 23-07-14

B.K. Sharma
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:52 pm Back to top

Sir Once again I request you please give the link, web page or any book in which i could find the detail of formula and its use.
            
            
            
- B.K. Sharma SSE/Pway/ETW NCR ... 08-08-14

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:01 pm Back to top

PLEASE CHECK YOUR EMAIL...brajeshsharma63@gmail.com
            
            
            
- Satya Pal Kataria XEN Construction RINGUS ... 14-08-14

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:15 pm Back to top

Thank you sir , I got your email , once again much thanks.
            
            
            
- B.K. Sharma SSE/Pway/ETW NCR ... 28-08-14
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